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25 March 2008

the atheist delusion

Atheism's golden years, some would argue, were bookmarked by the fall of the Bastille and the fall of the Berlin Wall.  In between, the joys of atheism and atheocracies were mighty to behold. 

And yet here we are, with a new breed of secular fundamentalists perpetuating old myths and new fables:

The notion that religion is a primitive version of science was popularised in the late 19th century in JG Frazer's survey of the myths of primitive peoples, The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion. For Frazer, religion and magical thinking were closely linked. Rooted in fear and ignorance, they were vestiges of human infancy that would disappear with the advance of knowledge. Dennett's atheism is not much more than a revamped version of Frazer's positivism. The positivists believed that with the development of transport and communication - in their day, canals and the telegraph - irrational thinking would wither way, along with the religions of the past. Despite the history of the past century, Dennett believes much the same. In an interview that appears on the website of the Edge Foundation (edge.org) under the title "The Evaporation of the Powerful Mystique of Religion", he predicts that "in about 25 years almost all religions will have evolved into very different phenomena, so much so that in most quarters religion will no longer command the awe that it does today". He is confident that this will come about, he tells us, mainly because of "the worldwide spread of information technology (not just the internet, but cell phones and portable radios and television)". The philosopher has evidently not reflected on the ubiquity of mobile phones among the Taliban, or the emergence of a virtual al-Qaida on the web.

The growth of knowledge is a fact only postmodern relativists deny. Science is the best tool we have for forming reliable beliefs about the world, but it does not differ from religion by revealing a bare truth that religions veil in dreams. Both science and religion are systems of symbols that serve human needs - in the case of science, for prediction and control. Religions have served many purposes, but at bottom they answer to a need for meaning that is met by myth rather than explanation. A great deal of modern thought consists of secular myths - hollowed-out religious narratives translated into pseudo-science. Dennett's notion that new communications technologies will fundamentally alter the way human beings think is just such a myth.

In The God Delusion, Dawkins attempts to explain the appeal of religion in terms of the theory of memes, vaguely defined conceptual units that compete with one another in a parody of natural selection. He recognises that, because humans have a universal tendency to religious belief, it must have had some evolutionary advantage, but today, he argues, it is perpetuated mainly through bad education. From a Darwinian standpoint, the crucial role Dawkins gives to education is puzzling. Human biology has not changed greatly over recorded history, and if religion is hardwired in the species, it is difficult to see how a different kind of education could alter this. Yet Dawkins seems convinced that if it were not inculcated in schools and families, religion would die out. This is a view that has more in common with a certain type of fundamentalist theology than with Darwinian theory, and I cannot help being reminded of the evangelical Christian who assured me that children reared in a chaste environment would grow up without illicit sexual impulses.

Dawkins's "memetic theory of religion" is a classic example of the nonsense that is spawned when Darwinian thinking is applied outside its proper sphere. Along with Dennett, who also holds to a version of the theory, Dawkins maintains that religious ideas survive because they would be able to survive in any "meme pool", or else because they are part of a "memeplex" that includes similar memes, such as the idea that, if you die as a martyr, you will enjoy 72 virgins. Unfortunately, the theory of memes is science only in the sense that Intelligent Design is science. Strictly speaking, it is not even a theory. Talk of memes is just the latest in a succession of ill-judged Darwinian metaphors.

Dawkins compares religion to a virus: religious ideas are memes that infect vulnerable minds, especially those of children. Biological metaphors may have their uses - the minds of evangelical atheists seem particularly prone to infection by religious memes, for example. At the same time, analogies of this kind are fraught with peril. Dawkins makes much of the oppression perpetrated by religion, which is real enough. He gives less attention to the fact that some of the worst atrocities of modern times were committed by regimes that claimed scientific sanction for their crimes. Nazi "scientific racism" and Soviet "dialectical materialism" reduced the unfathomable complexity of human lives to the deadly simplicity of a scientific formula. In each case, the science was bogus, but it was accepted as genuine at the time, and not only in the regimes in question. Science is as liable to be used for inhumane purposes as any other human institution. Indeed, given the enormous authority science enjoys, the risk of it being used in this way is greater.

Contemporary opponents of religion display a marked lack of interest in the historical record of atheist regimes. In The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason, the American writer Sam Harris argues that religion has been the chief source of violence and oppression in history. He recognises that secular despots such as Stalin and Mao inflicted terror on a grand scale, but maintains the oppression they practised had nothing to do with their ideology of "scientific atheism" - what was wrong with their regimes was that they were tyrannies. But might there not be a connection between the attempt to eradicate religion and the loss of freedom? It is unlikely that Mao, who launched his assault on the people and culture of Tibet with the slogan "Religion is poison", would have agreed that his atheist world-view had no bearing on his policies. It is true he was worshipped as a semi-divine figure - as Stalin was in the Soviet Union. But in developing these cults, communist Russia and China were not backsliding from atheism. They were demonstrating what happens when atheism becomes a political project. The invariable result is an ersatz religion that can only be maintained by tyrannical means.

Something like this occurred in Nazi Germany. Dawkins dismisses any suggestion that the crimes of the Nazis could be linked with atheism. "What matters," he declares in The God Delusion, "is not whether Hitler and Stalin were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does." This is simple-minded reasoning. Always a tremendous booster of science, Hitler was much impressed by vulgarised Darwinism and by theories of eugenics that had developed from Enlightenment philosophies of materialism. He used Christian antisemitic demonology in his persecution of Jews, and the churches collaborated with him to a horrifying degree. But it was the Nazi belief in race as a scientific category that opened the way to a crime without parallel in history. Hitler's world-view was that of many semi-literate people in interwar Europe, a hotchpotch of counterfeit science and animus towards religion. There can be no reasonable doubt that this was a type of atheism, or that it helped make Nazi crimes possible.

And offering a man-made religion in their own self-deluded image:

Nowadays most atheists are avowed liberals. What they want - so they will tell you - is not an atheist regime, but a secular state in which religion has no role. They clearly believe that, in a state of this kind, religion will tend to decline.

Where have we heard that before? 

Not quite reality-based. More like faith-based:

The problem with the secular narrative is not that it assumes progress is inevitable (in many versions, it does not). It is the belief that the sort of advance that has been achieved in science can be reproduced in ethics and politics. In fact, while scientific knowledge increases cumulatively, nothing of the kind happens in society. Slavery was abolished in much of the world during the 19th century, but it returned on a vast scale in nazism and communism, and still exists today. Torture was prohibited in international conventions after the second world war, only to be adopted as an instrument of policy by the world’s pre-eminent liberal regime at the beginning of the 21st century. Wealth has increased, but it has been repeatedly destroyed in wars and revolutions. People live longer and kill one another in larger numbers. Knowledge grows, but human beings remain much the same.

Note: The churches did not collaborate with Hitler "to a horrifying degree". The Nazis had no love of Christians nor they them; once the Jews were exterminated, their plan was to eradicate Christians.

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I read Dawkins' book, and it was pretty entertaining, but the meme theory left me cold. Mind you, it's no sillier than the Trinity.

Posted by: Pedro at 25/03/2008 2:22:10 PM

Once again a Christan stating why atheism is bad... and ignoring what atheism actually means. You know, the whole God not existing part. Because apparently atheists care about the truth value of theism.

Posted by: Samuel Skinner at 26/03/2008 2:30:56 AM

Samuel,
I wouldn't be complaining if I were you. If Dawkins, Harris et al feel qualified to tell us why Christianity is bad while being ignorant of Christian thought and history (a fact pointed out by many of their atheist critics even) while simultaneously claiming to be cultural Christians (e.g.Dawkins) because they know they that only Christian societies offer them the freedoms they enjoy, or otherwise religious (e.g. Harris with his psycho-babble version of Buddhism) yet unwilling to have their own beliefs criticized, then it should not worry you if Christians point out the paucity and incoherence in their thought, not to mention the evidence of the joys of atheism and atheocracies which we have from history, and particularly when many of us were atheists once too.

I see even, that Harris has followed the usual trajectory of atheism to its natural end. Remember what he wrote "The link between belief and behavior raises the stakes considerably. Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them." That would be "pre-emptive genocide", and given the context, that would mean he's suggesting pre-emptive genocide for Muslims may be ethical.

He can't wiggle his way out of that and nor can you.

Posted by: saint at 26/03/2008 6:40:40 AM

Informative article, saint. Thanks.

Posted by: FaceLift at 26/03/2008 12:06:17 PM

My first wife was a rabid atheist and my second wife is a catholic who frets about children not getting baptised because they might die and miss out on heaven. To my mind both are believers and both silly in that respect. Most of the Dawkins book was about the lack of evidence for God, let alone religion, and hard to criticise at that level.

Neither believers nor atheists can claim any sort of moral high-ground and most slanging matches I have read descend to the pathetic level of whose side killed more people more horribly in the past.

It is nonsense to say that any particular religion, or just religion in general, is necessary for a moral compass and clearly atheism does not guarantee a moral approach to life. I think the truth is that some people are evil and religion is one of the vehicles through which those people express that evil.

Posted by: Pedro at 26/03/2008 1:42:12 PM

In fact, from where I'm sitting, there's more of a lack of evidence for no God.

Religion is just a side-track. The reality of good and evil is actually a clue to spirituality, but, what if you're right, what if there is no God, no reason for existence than merely being, and we all just meld into the dirt when we die, why does morality matter anyway?

What's the point of love?

Posted by: FaceLift at 26/03/2008 7:03:50 PM

Could it be stated, as a general principle, that nowadays, specialists tend to get into trouble, making misleading and erroneous statements about areas outside of their specialty?

Thus we get economists who are dogmatic about climate science (John Quiggin, Harry Clarke), historians (not to mention a whole bunch of artists and writers) who subscribe to Marx's economic theories, and biologists and journalists (Dawkins and Hitchens) who have odd opinions about theology and ethics.

Posted by: TimT at 27/03/2008 10:16:47 AM

I don't think you have to be a theologist to have an opinion about the existence of God. Nor an economist to see that Marx was fundamentally wrong. Dawkins makes the point that you can no more prove the lack of god than you can god. But a lack of evidence for nothing is not the same as a lack of evidence for something.

Why do we need god to have meaning in life, or love or morals? I've got all three with no god.

Posted by: Pedro at 27/03/2008 1:16:04 PM

No, no Pedro. I'm not saying that specialists shouldn't have a say outside their field of specialty, just noting what seems to be an odd trend in modern affairs. I'm critical of the false authority some commenters assume, by which their expertise in one area is used to convey authority in another, unrelated area.

It happens a lot. I've already noted the examples of Quiggin and Clarke, and Dawkins and Hitchins. In the Australian media we also get specialists like Steve Biddulph (psychologist, occasionally offers half-arsed political commentary), Hugh Mackay (statistician, again moonlights as a political commenter), Tim Flannery (biological sciences, but is one of the more extreme advocates of the AGW cause). On the international stage there are characters like Noam Chomsky (linguist, but veers into semi-crackpot Marxist historical, political, and economic analysis). The list could go on - and on and on. Many of these rely on obvious ploys to win over their readers, sometimes of the form "I have had years of experience working as a ___ (actual field of specialty). This gives me stunning insight into this ____ (unrelated field)" Quiggin and Clarke seem to be relatively restrained about this, but all the rest have resorted to this ploy, except perhaps Chomsky, who relies more or less on his charisma.

There are probably several reasons for this happening, but one is that, although people's professions tend to be quite specialised these days (economist, physicist, biologist, etc), the main media for expression, communication, and argument (newspaper, cinema, television) are generalist, and tend to make a great number of points by means of wit, and allusion to previous expressive forms. So when you bring together a number of specialists in a generalist medium - problems happen!

Dawkins meme theory about religion is a good example of this, I think, because it's a sociological/anthropological theory that has been repeatedly and forcefully commented on and popularised by an evolutionary biologist. There is a problem here... !

Posted by: TimT at 27/03/2008 6:00:30 PM

I don't think you can blame the specialists for the problem, which I agree exists. Why shouldn't Hitches, for example, write about the existence of god or the various moral arguments. I think Hitchens over does the religion is evil schtick, but it is no answer to point out that Mao was an atheist. The question is whether people cloak evil acts in religious garb, which they clearly do.

Hugh Mackay, as you point out, makes nonsense statements all the time. However, it does not take much rational intelligence to see that he is wrong. It is not his fault that others vest faith in him or that the SMH wants to publish his crap. The worst examples are when Reverend X is given moral stature in the press for expousing left-wing pieties while Reverend Y takes the opposite view and is told to get back to the pulpit where he belongs.

Frankly, I don't think the stature of the writer is ever a reason to accept a statement.

Posted by: Pedro at 28/03/2008 11:12:27 AM

I think both you Pedro and you TimT (nice to have you visit Tim) have valid points.

Agreed Pedro, you don't have to be a theologian (although I'd say everyone is anyway), economist etc to critique Christianity, Islam, Marxism or whatever, but it helps if you understand what it is you are critiquing on its own terms, otherwise it's like shadow boxing. This is where our neo-atheist fundamentalists have fallen down (and even an aging Marxist like Terry Eagleton can write one of the best smackdown of Dawkins' latest fare)

On the other hand TimT you have raised that equally important question of "authority" and how one's authority in some matter is used as a rhetorical device (and why people get suckered in by that for it to be effective).

But there are other points you both raised there e.g. trying to critique religion purely on evolutionary biology terms (memetics, not even a science, and what a hoot when Dawkins footnoted a work of fiction by Gore Vidal to support his contention of a suicide meme (!) and nevertheless had to correct his biology in The Extended Phenotype), trying to explain or explain away religion on sociological terms etc. etc.


I think there's a few blog posts in what you both wrote, but I am too brain dead from work this week to do them justice now.

What is more, when it comes to Christianity in particular, one eventually has to contend with Jesus. Who was he, what does one make of the claims he made for himself, what does one say of his resurrection (I mean, even the ancients knew that dead people don't come to life again but here we have eyewitness testimony in the documents of the New Testament). One has to eventually contend with the unique claim that God Himself has come to us in Jesus Christ.

(Not just Trinity Pedro, but also Incarnation)

Posted by: saint at 28/03/2008 11:49:29 AM

BTW TimT, did enjoy your tale of the brussel sprout and the potato. Mums are good like that!

Posted by: saint at 28/03/2008 12:23:00 PM

Saint, I'm not sure I would get hung up on the eyewitness accounts claim. Sitting beside me is the Penguin Classics version of Livy's Early History of Rome, which is full of reports about 2 headed cows and such like as augeries of problems ahead. Eyewitness accounts, no? Is not the Koran an eyewitness account of a messenger from god?

A book written and rewritten a very long time ago and before the cataclysim of the Dark Ages is not what I would call great provenance. Still, that's what makes religion so interesting to observe.

The Jesus story is either true or it is not. What it most definitely is not is the "best attested fact in history" as I think I read some silly evangalist in the US claims.

Christianity is only unique in some of its detail. It surely is relevant that religion is so wide-spread and such an early component of the human existence, while being so divergent in detail. Aztec beliefs and worship are so different from, say, yours that they cannot have the same source, but some underlying impulse must have lead to the development of both religions. Using the Fall to explain the existence of such monsterous belief systems is a bit to cute for an intelligent discussion.

I don't think you need Dawkins' meme theory to explain that divergence to acknowledge this fact. So that leaves us looking at a world full of contradictory religions and apparently still not seeing that that is perhaps the best evidence against the existence of god.

Posted by: Pedro at 29/03/2008 8:10:49 AM

Pedro,
Not hung up on eyewitness claims? Unfortunately I have to consider them seriously because there was a high value placed on eyewitness testimony in the ancient world (and indeed there still is in our courts today). And I think you may also find that even the ancients could differentiate between "myth" and reports of events which had transpired in their times or shortly before them. (Indeed, many philosophers cast aspersions on Graeco-Roman myths well before the early Christians mocked the pagan pantheon or criticized contemporary philosophies and theologies).

Should I assume you are looking for every out clause rather than truth? :-)

We could now have a discussion on the nature and usefulness of historical sources for Christ compared to say other "religious figures", a dicussion of ancient literary genres (I'd be say using Graeco-Roman bioi e.g. Plutarch's Lives as something closest to the gospel genre rather than Livy), and then the simple - and for historians somewhat awkward truth - of the astonishing spread of Christianity, despite both localized and systemic persecution, in its first 300 years etc etc.

Present day historians do not deny Jesus' existence as a historical figure. Indeed some of the academics working in this field - and they are not necessarily "believers" - also run blogs, where you can take that up personally with them. What gets tricky is just who this man was and what he claimed for himself and what others who knew him, said about him. Historians are limited in what they can say about that because their own discipline (and in some cases their own bias) limits them. To say more than what they can say as historians, will lead them into matters of theology etc. Which is why too, historical Jesus studies, while useful to some degree, end up being fairly useless or at least limited in usefulness, as they end up recreating Jesus in the historian's own image (which would make for some bizarre historians out there).

Nevertheless, if you really want to critique Christianity, you will have to contend with the Christians' proclamation, and you must confront this person of Jesus Christ.

Do you really think he was just a figment of someone's imagination? That it wasn't possible for contemporaries - particularly Jews, who would know their families' and clans' genealogies - to easily dismiss any stories about a person who never existed? Was he just some dude that said a few good things about love and forgiveness? If so, what about all the other stuff he said or did? He was an observant Jew who forgave sins; only God can forgive sins in Jewish thought etc. etc.

But as I said, I think that is convenient red herring for you. I just wonder if you really want to know. For example, if I or anyone else would could "prove to you", in a manner that is entirely satisfactory to you, that god exists, what difference would it make to your life?

Indeed, the question of god's existence alone is really neither here nor there. It's a matter of which god, what sort of god, or rather who is god, what sort of claim does this god have on your life, how can this god be known, and what if he made himself known to us in Christ?

Christianity, (and Judaism as its forerunner) vis-a-vis other religions is not unique in its detail. It's our god who is unique: there is none like him. It's Jesus who is unique.

Posted by: saint at 29/03/2008 11:30:40 PM

I don't think you should assume I am looking for an out. Nor did I say Jesus did not exist, but I do think it is hard to treat the Gospel as, well, gospel, while thinking the Koran is rubbish. I expect you friendly neighbourhood Iman will make the same claim about the amazing spread of the faith.

I completely agree is to the value of eyewitness testimony, but should I therefore give credence to my new-agey sister who is SURE she has experienced the healing power of reike (if that's how you spell it). I'm a lawyer so I know that two people can have different recollections of the same situation, though I expect you don't need to be lawyer for that experience.

As I see it, you either accept that the Bible is true or you don't. There is a distinct lack of independent evidence for so much of the detail.

I hope you don't think I'm being rude, you seem a little cranky with me.

Posted by: Pedro at 01/04/2008 10:51:38 AM

Hi Pedro,

No you're not being rude and I'm not cranky. But a few things for you to consider (no need to answer to me...just for you to think about)


If I or anyone else would could "prove to you", in a manner that is entirely satisfactory to you, that god exists, what difference would it make to your life?


Is it really the Bible that is getting to you (perhaps you have misunderstood what the Bible is about) or is there simply no room for God in your life?

Or as one of my teachers used to say: are you asking the right questions?

:-)

Posted by: saint at 01/04/2008 4:23:21 PM

Saint if we assume god exists then I still can't say what that would mean in my life because you need to know more. If god exists and wants to be obeyed then that is a starting point, if god has a plan, then there is another starting point.

There is as much room for god in my life as there is for my family. I don't make any room because I don't believe god exists, which is nothing to do with the bible as such.

I did not choose to be an atheist, I simply found at some point in my life that I could not find a reason to believe and so I stopped. Much to the horror of some members of my family who could not understand why I could abandon the church that had done so much for me. A friend of mine says he believes despite his doubts, I find my mind cannot work that way.

I think it hypocritical and stupid to hang around a church when the central idea is one you do not hold. I don't need the church for all of the things religion is supposed to do for one's moral development and so forth.

Posted by: Pedro at 03/04/2008 11:59:15 AM

Pedro, you said "I still can't say what that would mean in my life because you need to know more." Exactly. Few people who carry on about "prove to me God exists" get that. It's not just is there, (and if so how many? and if more than one...), is he sovereign, does he have a claim on us, is he knowable...how can he be known...

But then you say: "I don't make any room because I don't believe god exists, which is nothing to do with the bible as such" and you imply that God/church has only something to do with moral development and that doubt is the opposite of faith (it isn't, doubt is part of the life of faith - see the prophets of the Old Testament not to mention talk to every Christian since the tine of Christ; the opposite of faith is lack of faith or unbelief. Hmm see the prophets of the Old Testament again...)

OK, invitation - and one which you are not obliged to take up - and maybe an invitation you are tired of accepting from others. So feel free to ignore.

Given your mention of church, I presume you were raised or were a Christian for at least a while. Tell me a bit more about the God you thought you knew - the Jesus whom you knew and how you came to think God is...hmmm...non-existent (I am tempted to ask, if there is a God and no-one believed he existed, would that negate his existence? If God's existence is contingent on humans, what sort of god would that be I wonder...but I digress), and given the walking, talking, in your face, Jesus who has entered our history (and unfortunately you can't undo history),God coming to us - who do you say Jesus is now?

Posted by: saint at 03/04/2008 6:41:57 PM

Sorry Saint, I did not mean to say doubt is the opposite of faith. I mentioned my friend who has faith despite his doubts and I said my mind does not seem to work that way. Perhaps my doubts reached a level that cancelled the old faith, I truly don't know as the situation sort of crept up on me.

Raised and schooled a catholic, altar-boy and the whole bit, in quite a devout family. But I struggle to think what my faith meant to me, perhaps that is a problem of the catholic system where being in it is a given of your life and, at least in my youth, questioning did not seem to be part of the deal. God was simply as described by the catechism and the nuns, priests and brothers, and we were part of a tribe or club. I can't think of any practicing catholics of my current acquaintance who are capable of having a discussion beyond "just because".

As for the second part of your question, if the gospels are true then I guess I would want to try and understand them, but, are they true? Sorry, but I can't see why we would choose those particular books over the koran or the talmud or anything else. Your acceptance of the reality and truth of Jesus and the Jesus story means denying that of Muhammad. How do you know which one is wrong?

I suspect the answer is that, in your heart, you just know. My answer is that in my heart, I just don't know. Belief is not something you just choose, even in a foxhole.

Posted by: Pedro at 04/04/2008 12:04:03 PM

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